Covid and CANvention... Mumms the word

[Cap-Sealed]

https://fox2now.com/.../st-louis-city-c ... ssue-covid.../
Not sure why no one is talking about this, but it looks like masks must be worn indoors in St Louis, according to this article. Only 45% of Missouri's population is vaccinated and the D-varient is spreading rapidly in MO among the unvax'd. I doubt things will change much in next 7 weeks. Perhaps the NABA convention will be an indicator as it is 3 weeks before CANvention. Stay tuned, you may be able to get a room in the hotel after all. I hope people take this seriously.... I'll wear a mask if need be... Better to start talking about it now instead of keeping it under the rug.

[keithker]

@Cap-Sealed And as I indicated the BCCA is closely monitoring the whole COVID-19 situation. We have a COVID-19 Czar that tracking the information on a daily basis.

Any information we put out today could quickly change again tomorrow.

The convention center has temperature sensors when you first enter the building and will be closely monitored from what I was told during my tour a few weeks ago.

A WILL make sure everyone is keep up to date on the current state and local guidance and regulations.

[VP Don]

I also agree with Keith when we visited the CANvention center; they have things well under control. If you have been vaccinated, you are not required to wear a mask when we had the tour in June. You have to go through the thermal staging area. If you have a temperature, you have to sit in an area for a period of time and retake it. I felt very safe the whole time there. The center is taking it very seriously. As an organization, we need to respect the feelings of others and do the right mask protocol when needed.

I will wear a mask if and when I feel it necessary and follow the safety procedures we have all learned this last year about keeping a little distance and washing hands and sanitizing we're all used to by now.

[Cap-Sealed]

I haven't heard one bit of covid info about St Louis from BCCA until I brought it up. 55% of the state of Missouri is unvax'd and the D-varient is spreading quickly. Keeping the membership openly and actively informed is the way to go. Keeping quiet makes it appear to be hiding things... Honestly, Missouri for me isn't looking good right now and I am vaccinated. I might eat the $60+ registration fee & hotel nights to stay well. But it is a personal choice.

[jacoby4664]

I live in St Louis. Everything is fine here right now. I did hear there was a fairly large cluster of the D-variant in Southwest Missouri a week or so ago, but that is a long way for St Louis.

[Cap-Sealed]

I live in St Louis. Everything is fine here right now. I did hear there was a fairly large cluster of the D-variant in Southwest Missouri a week or so ago, but that is a long way for St Louis.

Did you read the link I posted at the top? Are they just blowing smoke? Does a statewide 45% vaccination rate concern you?

[keithker]

The BCCA has Kathy Covell at the helm to ensure we have all the details surrounding the COVID-19 situation in the St Louis area. We will make sure CANvention attendees are informed shortly prior to arriving to St. Louis. We will make sure we follow all guidance and protocols that are expected to be in place and will enforce them. Will we be expected to wear a mask? We've all been through this pandemic and can expect everyone will do the proper thing if expected to. We ask all attendees to be prepared and remain flexible. The convention center folks ensured us that all required precautions will be in place again based on the guidance provided at the time.

[jacoby4664]

I live in St Louis. Everything is fine here right now. I did hear there was a fairly large cluster of the D-variant in Southwest Missouri a week or so ago, but that is a long way for St Louis.

Did you read the link I posted at the top? Are they just blowing smoke? Does a statewide 45% vaccination rate concern you?

It would concern me if I didn’t know the details behind the statistics. Missouri has a had an issue with specific segments of the population not wanting or attempting to get vaccinated. Not that they can’t, they just don’t. That is not going to be an issue that directly impacts the Canvention. But hey I get it, you are worried, better safe than. I am vaccinated, I feel very comfortable out in public in St Louis. In my area it is masks only for the unvaccinated and we have no case load of COVID currently. I live about 7 -8 miles from the Marriott.

[Nosinut]

Just curious, isn’t staying home an option if you don’t feel comfortable?

[Cap-Sealed]

Just curious, isn’t staying home an option if you don’t feel comfortable?

Right! As much as I'd love to go, I will probably cancel because there is a slight chance I could get sick. Beer cans don't mean more my than my health. I'll be safer digging somewhere. I don't like the silence of BCCA on this issue.... (Some weekly updates would be helpful) I need to lookout for myself.

The positivity rate for MO has doubled in the last month from 4.8% to 10.5%.... maybe it will come back down is 4 weeks?

[keithker]

Just curious, isn’t staying home an option if you don’t feel comfortable?

Right! As much as I'd love to go, I will probably cancel because there is a slight chance I could get sick. Beer cans don't mean more my than my health. I'll be safer digging somewhere. I don't like the silence of BCCA on this issue.... (Some weekly updates would be helpful) I need to lookout for myself.

The positivity rate for MO has doubled in the last month from 4.8% to 10.5%.... maybe it will come back down is 4 weeks?

Silence? Everyone is welcome to visit the National, State and City guidance and make a decision.

[Dan B]

Ed,

Your vaccinated right? What are you worried about……What? Are you saying the vaccine doesn’t work? Just wear three masks.

Dan B

[CMD]

I haven't heard one bit of covid info about St Louis from BCCA until I brought it up. 55% of the state of Missouri is unvax'd and the D-varient is spreading quickly. Keeping the membership openly and actively informed is the way to go. Keeping quiet makes it appear to be hiding things... Honestly, Missouri for me isn't looking good right now and I am vaccinated. I might eat the $60+ registration fee & hotel nights to stay well. But it is a personal choice.

Are you serious ?? If you are let me know ASAP so I can find a new roomate........If you feel that strongly about it stay home, and quit trying to be Chicken Little and ruin it for everyone else.....they are all adults and can make their own decisions !!! Listen to the boots on the ground!

out

Dan

[Dan B]

Now I can tell you two apart, one is covered in feathers and the other brother has a S on his chest.

Dan B

[Rand]

Well, now that this has turned into an Ed bashing thread by the Dans, figured someone should step up and support him.

Ed's right. This virus is deadly, and those that don't die are damaged in other ways for the rest of their lives. From my, and apparently Ed's perspective, there is zero reason to run that risk for the sake of a rusty beer can. Further, given the fairly insane rants I've seen on Facebook from way too many collectors who are living in denial over the severity of this virus, and plan to gather in large numbers in a closed room in St. Louis, I too have decided not to expose myself to that risk.

You all have fun, and I mean this sincerely, I hope none of you die.

Rand

[josh]

Problem solved.... right?

[waste-man]

I think Ed should do whatever he feels is best for him. God bless him and I hope Ed and everyone stays safe and healthy. What I disagree with Ed on is I do not feel the people in the BCCA are hiding something just so the Canvention can continue. I think the BCCA board has a tough decision on running a huge show and keeping everyone's heath in mind. God knows I would hate to have to be in that position. We have lost too many members with out this stupid Covid. I believe the BCCA will keep us in the know on everything that is going on and we can make our own decisions to go or not go. Rand and Ed we will miss you if you are not there.

[Rand]

I do not feel the people in the BCCA are hiding something just so the Canvention can continue. I think the BCCA board has a tough decision on running a huge show and keeping everyone's heath in mind.

Concur.

My comment was mostly to push back on the name calling .....someone who makes a personal decision is neither a "chicken".....nor are they a "superman" ....it is really tacky and a questionable business move from someone who is selling into this hobby.

[Dan B]

Ed and I are friends. I guess I am still a bit pissed reading Ed’s post on Facebook saying anyone who is not vaccinated are A** Holes. I was always under the impression that it’s your body your choice. But to call out the BCCA like they are hiding facts…cmon, do your research and make a decision. I know John Hopkins came out and said the average number of people that died this year was no more then previous years. That was pulled down since it did not meet the narrative of Fauci. Josh, those Clorox bottles are not going to put out the fires burning in your glorious city.

Dan B

[summitsys]

I live in Saint Louis and the vaccination rate is much higher than the rest of the state. The Saint Louis area has few Covid cases and I scarcely see a mask being worn anytime here in public. Just normal-common-sense precautions would be appropriate with minimal cause for concern.

[josh]

Josh, those Clorox bottles are not going to put out the fires burning in your glorious city.

Dan B

I've been sitting by my pool for hours today and I haven't seen any smoke. Granted the last pitcher of margaritas has blurred my vision but all I see is sun and a third pitcher, but no smoke....

[Cap-Sealed]

Ed and I are friends. I guess I am still a bit pissed reading Ed’s post on Facebook saying anyone who is not vaccinated are A** Holes. I was always under the impression that it’s your body your choice. But to call out the BCCA like they are hiding facts…cmon, do your research and make a decision. I know John Hopkins came out and said the average number of people that died this year was no more then previous years. That was pulled down since it did not meet the narrative of Fauci. Josh, those Clorox bottles are not going to put out the fires burning in your glorious city.

Dan B

If you read my post on FB, I was p'o'ed at the people at my work, who were supposed to wear a mask if they weren't vax'd. But it was an honor system and they had no honor (didn't wear a mask as required) caught the virus and spread it to everyone else. They shut the whole division down for 3 weeks!

[Dan B]

I've been sitting by my pool for hours today and I haven't seen any smoke. Granted the last pitcher of margaritas has blurred my vision but all I see is sun and a third pitcher, but no smoke..

[Dan B]

Ed and I are friends. I guess I am still a bit pissed reading Ed’s post on Facebook saying anyone who is not vaccinated are A** Holes. I was always under the impression that it’s your body your choice. But to call out the BCCA like they are hiding facts…cmon, do your research and make a decision. I know John Hopkins came out and said the average number of people that died this year was no more then previous years. That was pulled down since it did not meet the narrative of Fauci. Josh, those Clorox bottles are not going to put out the fires burning in your glorious city.

Dan B

If you read my post on FB, I was p'o'ed at the people at my work, who were supposed to wear a mask if they weren't vax'd. But it was an honor system and they had no honor (didn't wear a mask as required) caught the virus and spread it to everyone else. They shut the whole division down for 3 weeks!

Well look at the bright side, you can go digging for three weeks. The virus has affected everyone some way some how. Make the best of a bad situation.

[Cap-Sealed]

The whole point was I wanted to hear from the BCCA how the were going mitigate dealing with the virus and keeping us safe at the show. I heard nothing until I made a stink about it.

Calling me names and making fun of me is all the more reason to stay home.

BTW, I remember my brother coming home from a B/G show with pneumonia....

[MI-Cans]

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I think it’s reasonable to assume there is no way to arrive at a consensus opinion or decision here.

If you follow the news or read the local rags and you’re comfortable with going and being at the CANv, by all means go, have a great time, see old friends, make new ones, spend the kid’s college money and add to your collections!

If, on the other hand, you’re not at least 85-95% comfortable with situation when it’s time to go, by all means, sit your butt at home. Find something to occupy your mind so when it’s all said and done, you can be confident that you made the best decision for yourself and your family.

I think we can all agree that no two people can think the same way. We all process and interpret the same information differently. So you do what’s best for you and your family. In the end it will all work itself out. We're all better than this!

As for me, I have every intention of making the SummerSwap show in Frankenmuth. I am fully vaccinated. Every time I leave the house, I mask up. It stays on until I get home. Barring any unforeseen circumstances, I hope to be there with my walker, running over everybody, mask on and gloves on. Common sense for me.

I’ve put in too many years to get careless and risk everything now.

Senior citizen’s $0.02.

(MI-Cans)

[Dan B]

The whole point was I wanted to hear from the BCCA how the were going mitigate dealing with the virus and keeping us safe at the show. I heard nothing until I made a stink about it.

Calling me names and making fun of me is all the more reason to stay home.

BTW, I remember my brother coming home from a B/G show with pneumonia....

I never called you a name, just said I can tell you two apart, you with feathers after Dan called you chicken little….LOL. Who will make fun of you? But don’t make a claim that the BCCA is trying to hide something about COVID. If you have been vaccinated, which is your business, but if you have, then what is the problem? I look forward to seeing you and Dan there. Your choice, but I do hope you make it. Bring some MN maps, Dale plans on digging up here this year.

[bodean]

If I can, I'd like to relate some of the instances of infection from someone who lives in southern MO. First off, St Louis has a much higher vax rate than most of the state, so there's a degree of safety there but not risk free.

My wife manages a cardiovascular clinic in northern AR. She has an employee that refused the vaccine, got COVID and is very sick. She received the monocolonal antibody transfusion today. Hopefully it will work. My dad, who is 81 and a biochemist, got the vax in Feb. and came down with the delta variant a couple weeks ago (Likely got it from the Elks club where he likes to play cards). He got a runny nose from the delta variant, and that's it. My conclusion (and only mine) is that the vax is less risky than COVID. Please draw your own conclusions, these are only mine

I just think it's risky right now, so please take precautions. I plan to be in St. Louis but I'll likely be wearing a mask. Probably best that I cover this mug anyway. I look forward to meeting the forum members that I only know by their forum names but don't be offended if I keep my distance.

[bodean]

Problem solved.... right?

We're supposed to consume this, right?

[Rand]

Problem solved.... right?

We're supposed to consume this, right?

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."