Crappy BCCA CANvention Policy

[Cap-Sealed]

I was told wives, girlfriends and helpers of members who help at the show will have to pay the $40 guest fee to see anything at the show other than their duties. My girlfriend will take 2 days off work to help work the Roadrunner Chapter table plus any other tasks she is asked to do. Dan McCormick's wife spent countless hours making the center pieces for the banquet in addition to anything else she is asked to do. Non-collector volunteers shouldn't have to pay to be at the show! Wake up BCCA! This is not how you treat volunteers.

[idigrust]

Lol !!!!! Go figure

[CMD]

why don't you post on BCCA facebook page???

[pinnacle-project]

@Cap-Sealed

Have you talked to somebody at BCCA about this? Maybe this is something they never gave a thought to and if you tell them about it, they will be able to quickly make a change.

Okay, I admit they may also tell you to take a long walk on a short dock but who knows? Good luck. I hope it all works out. It is great to have volunteers like this.

[Cap-Sealed]

@Cap-Sealed

Have you talked to somebody at BCCA about this? Maybe this is something they never gave a thought to and if you tell them about it, they will be able to quickly make a change.

Okay, I admit they may also tell you to take a long walk on a short dock but who knows? Good luck. I hope it all works out. It is great to have volunteers like this.

Done.

Dan McCormick said yesterday he'd like to see them tell his wife Vicky that she has to pay..... after all the work she has done for the show - it is a slap in the face of volunteers.


We have 8 BCCA members in ABQ - that's it. We don't have a core of 50+ local BCCA members to handle all the CANvention work. Dan told me we have to pay guest fees ($40) for our spouses. This is stupid.

[idigrust]

@Cap-Sealed Don't worry, you'll do all the work, make sure everything runs smooth, do very little B/S/T because you're working all the time, pay all the fees for you and your spouses and find out later that some folks that did minimal work got comped rooms. Enjoy !

[idigrust]

why don't you post on BCCA facebook page???

Did this happen? Let me know how it goes.

[MI-Cans]

@Cap-Sealed
You're gonna be there anyway, so go to the membership meeting and voice your concerns to the Board. Between now and then, nothing will be done because no one person really has any authority to act on it. Remember, you threatening their revenue!

There should be some kind of exemption for the Host Chapter(s) after all, they do the bulk of the work that makes it any kind of a success. I'd be curious what the show would be like if only run by the Board without any Chapter support.

As always, my opinion.

(MI-Cans)

[conesplus]

Ed,
I feel for you!
I will get major loads of crap for this, but the TRUTH is as follows.
Why should the BCCA change?? They've been getting away with this sort of crap for decades!
The bcca fab five, (or how ever few there are, THAT MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS) have been dictating policy for 45+ years.
They tell the volunteers, (AND ALL BCCA MEMBERS) what to do, where to do it, and how far to bend over.
If you think ANY significant change will EVER happen, think again.
If you don't like their policies, you have only one option,
never renew again!
Not surprisingly, many collectors have done just that.

[willssoda]

@Cap-Sealed Don't worry, you'll do all the work, make sure everything runs smooth, do very little B/S/T because you're working all the time, pay all the fees for you and your spouses and find out later that some folks that did minimal work got comped rooms. Enjoy !

[Longopener]

I didn’t think Ed was a BCCA member after the name change.

[Longopener]

Ed and Dan: are you charging the BCCA storage for all the boxes you’re holding for people in your garages?

[CMD]

All boxes in my garage...no worries , I'm happy and honored to do it

Its called giving back to the hobby

Dan

[Longopener]

I was just making a point that you are freely giving to the hobby for the benefit of the members.

[Cap-Sealed]

All boxes in my garage...no worries , I'm happy and honored to do it

Its called giving back to the hobby

Dan

I give plenty back to the hobby. I don't need any "attaboys" from the BCCA to feel good about the things I do. Charging non-collector volunteers money for them to help the club is stupid. The party line is, it's always been done that way, so it must be the right the to do.

[CMD]

Not to split hairs but actually , shes working the Roadrunner Chapter table ....not really helping the BCCA

I have 2 people helping me out and bought them each a guest badge

not a big deal to me

just happy the show is in Albuquerque

[Cap-Sealed]

Not to split hairs but actually , shes working the Roadrunner Chapter table ....not really helping the BCCA

I have 2 people helping me out and bought them each a guest badge

not a big deal to me

just happy the show is in Albuquerque

They paid because you told them to.... She may not be working for anyone! It's the principle of the thing. You don't charge non- collector volunteers. You don't make people pay you to work for them.

I wonder how many room nights, travel, meals are comp'd for the BCCA officers and possibly board members are in the canvention budget ??? Now we know where that money comes from!

[keithker]

@Cap-Sealed I can certify that I, as the BCCA Secretary, am not comp'd anything during the CANvention. I can also certify that I have paid out of my own pocket $1000's in travel, rentals, hotels and meals these past two years because I love this hobby.

[CMD]

Not to split hairs but actually , shes working the Roadrunner Chapter table ....not really helping the BCCA

I have 2 people helping me out and bought them each a guest badge

not a big deal to me

just happy the show is in Albuquerque

They paid because you told them to.... She may not be working for anyone! It's the principle of the thing. You don't charge non- collector volunteers. You don't make people pay you to work for them.

I wonder how many room nights, travel, meals are comp'd for the BCCA officers and possibly board members are in the canvention budget ??? Now we know where that money comes from!

No, I paid for my 2 guest who will be helping me at the show

[chicagocans]

Have to agree with Ed. Charging show volunteers exemplifies the short-sighted, member unfriendly thinking that the BCCA is famous for. The club survives in spite of itself due only to the commitment of individual collectors.

[renokenn]

This is not only a BCCA policy. Hundreds of volunteers for Hot August Nights in Reno all have to pay to be volunteers, hot air balloon races, etc. You volunteer because you want to and if you want the benefits, food, party, beer, you pay. Let the volunteers in for free and raise fees on everyone else.

[willssoda]

I won't be attending, but Maybe start an RB volunteer fund for wives of RB members who are devoting so much time and having to pay. If this is something you want to do I'm in with $10.

[willssoda]

This is not only a BCCA policy. Hundreds of volunteers for Hot August Nights in Reno all have to pay to be volunteers, hot air balloon races, etc. You volunteer because you want to and if you want the benefits, food, party, beer, you pay. Let the volunteers in for free and raise fees on everyone else.

I have no idea the scope of this convention or what kind of time is devoted; however I have to ask would this be apples to apples? I'm thinking the hot air balloon thing would require a whole lot more volunteers but I don't know that. Reading above it sounds like a few non collectors have spent ALOT of time helping....center pieces etc? That's hard work and people typically get paid for that and if volunteering wouldn't expect to be charged lol. Guess it might be more on a case by case basis cause if someone agreed to carry in a few tables or totes you wouldn't spect them to be treated equally. Anyway just some food for thought.

[renokenn]

I'm sure there are other volunteers besides the local groups working in the background. But you're right, size may matter...

[chicagocans]

I'm sure there are other volunteers besides the local groups working in the background. But you're right, size may matter...

The only commonality between the BCCA and the Reno balloon fest is that they're both full of hot air . . .

[Sweeperman]

@Cap-Sealed
You're gonna be there anyway, so go to the membership meeting and voice your concerns to the Board. Between now and then, nothing will be done because no one person really has any authority to act on it. Remember, you threatening their revenue!

There should be some kind of exemption for the Host Chapter(s) after all, they do the bulk of the work that makes it any kind of a success. I'd be curious what the show would be like if only run by the Board without any Chapter support.

As always, my opinion.

(MI-Cans)

That's the problem... There is actually only one person that can act on it. The canvention committee is a one man dictatorship. Every aspect of the canvention, from start to completion, goes though the one man committee. Even the illusion of having a committee is minimal at best.

[Randy Karasek]

Why can't spouses be allowed on the trade floor? My wife zero interest in beer cans but mini-vacation to Pittsburgh I think was 2004. Walking with me to the trade floor she got a very rude hand in her face and "You can't enter without paying". Seriously, $35 guest fee just to walk around with me for a couple hours? If that big a deal, give a different color "floor guest only" badge which does not give admission to the other party events. That was beginning of the end me being a BCCA member, with all the crap regarding BMV the final nail and not a single regret never rejoining.

And, my wife and I did attend a few Beer Cans Monthly conventions hosted by Jeff Cameron. Night and day difference in feeling welcome...

[chicagocans]

Did a quick google search for "volunteer(s) + free entry/admission" and got a ton of hits . . .
Here's just a few:

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[mike4257]

Our Hot Air BalloonFest is run completely by volunteers. The volunteers that help with the balloons might get to go up in one during the practice flights or the volunteers that help on the grounds get lunch and beverage coupons and the volunteer groups that help with parking even get a cut of the revenue from the event for their organization. Oh yeah they also get a T-shirt. No payment required only their time.

[willssoda]

I'm sure there are other volunteers besides the local groups working in the background. But you're right, size may matter...

The only commonality between the BCCA and the Reno balloon fest is that they're both full of hot air . . .