WWII Gray Discussion Thread
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Battleship Gray List
How about a list of all the 1941-42 battleship gray cans? I'll start, but I know there are a LOT more.
Flattops:
Drewrys Beer (L 55-34)
Dutch Lunch Beer (57-31)
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Pilsengold Beer (L 116-1)
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Flattops:
Drewrys Beer (L 55-34)
Dutch Lunch Beer (57-31)
Old Dutch Beer (L 105-34)
Pilsengold Beer (L 116-1)
Conetops
Crowntainers
Beverwyck Ale (192-7)
Quarts
Bests's Hapsburg Beer (203-1)
Harvard Ale (211-17)
Neuweilers Cream Ale (215-8)
Schmidt's Cream Ale (218-17)
Schmidt's Beer (219-2)
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Re: Battleship Gray List
From the OI world:
ABC - Lilek 6
All Star - Lilek 17
Apollo - Lilek 41
Bulls Eye - Lilek 169
Drewery's Extra Dry - Lilek 204
Dutch Lunch - Lilek 216
Fort Pitt Beer - Lilek 284A
Grand Prize - Lilek 368
Hamms - Lilek 379
Harvard Ale - Lilek 384
Harvard Ale - Lilek 385
Lubek Beer - Lilek 502
Old Dutch Ale - Lilek 595
Old Dutch Beer - Lilek 601
Neuweiller Cream Ale - Lilek 561
Neuweiller Pilsner Beer - Lilek 569
Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer - Lilek 675A
Pabst Bock - Lilek 666
Pilsengold - Lilek 684
Silver Springs - Lilek 763
Tam'o Shanter Ale - Lilek 784
Town Club - Lilek 791
Wehle Pale Ale - Lilek 868
Wehle Beer - Lilek 870
ABC - Lilek 6
All Star - Lilek 17
Apollo - Lilek 41
Bulls Eye - Lilek 169
Drewery's Extra Dry - Lilek 204
Dutch Lunch - Lilek 216
Fort Pitt Beer - Lilek 284A
Grand Prize - Lilek 368
Hamms - Lilek 379
Harvard Ale - Lilek 384
Harvard Ale - Lilek 385
Lubek Beer - Lilek 502
Old Dutch Ale - Lilek 595
Old Dutch Beer - Lilek 601
Neuweiller Cream Ale - Lilek 561
Neuweiller Pilsner Beer - Lilek 569
Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer - Lilek 675A
Pabst Bock - Lilek 666
Pilsengold - Lilek 684
Silver Springs - Lilek 763
Tam'o Shanter Ale - Lilek 784
Town Club - Lilek 791
Wehle Pale Ale - Lilek 868
Wehle Beer - Lilek 870
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Re: Battleship Gray List
Very cool idea. If someone wants to start up a list in the Excel format, let me know. Otherwise I'll get one started. My shelves won't help any, I think I only have 2.
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Re: Battleship Gray List
Not sure if this qualifies... I's probably a paint over an the only oneI have ever seen.
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Re: Battleship Gray List
If no one wants to take on this list by the weekend, I'll get it going.
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Re: Battleship Gray List
No one has taken on this list, so I've got the cans posted here put into a composite. I also added the "Propellor" cans. My take is they were definitely gray cans, even though they are singular label cans. The list will be posted shortly.
Another topic we need to address is gray vs. enamel. For example, Bay State Ale. There is an enamel version as well as a metallic version. Would the enamel label be considered a "gray" version?
Another topic we need to address is gray vs. enamel. For example, Bay State Ale. There is an enamel version as well as a metallic version. Would the enamel label be considered a "gray" version?
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Re: Battleship Gray List
NO!Scott Rollert wrote: Another topic we need to address is gray vs. enamel. For example, Bay State Ale. There is an enamel version as well as a metallic version. Would the enamel label be considered a "gray" version?
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Re: Battleship Gray List
Alrighty then, I have a list ready of the cans posted here. I'll have Danny get it up and running. I'm also titling the list as WW II gray cans.
After discussing it with Rand, the Propellor cans will be left off this list. It will be a list of same label cans with a distinct "Dull Gray" counterpart.
After discussing it with Rand, the Propellor cans will be left off this list. It will be a list of same label cans with a distinct "Dull Gray" counterpart.
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Re: Battleship Gray List
Sorry if I mis-understood! Personally I believe the Propeller can IS dull gray. My terse little 2 letter post above was specifically to casting the Bay State enamel as dull gray. Don't think there needs to be an enamel or metallic counterpart for something to qualify as dull gray.
Sorry again
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Re: Battleship Gray List
I've submitted the list as mentioned in my last post. The Propellors can always be added later. So let's get a discussion going about this. I'm in agreement with Rand, cans like the Propellor should be included. What say the rest of you?
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
A can that is "battleship grey" that is not most often found shiny doesn't count no matter how you look at it. Thats always been the point of pointing out the can is battleship grey. Propeller cans are not them no matter how much you want them to be. No one has ever said, "I've got a propeller can to trade, it's the battleship grey version".
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
Point taken Josh.
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
Josh is right, it's the cans where the battleship gray version was a departure from the normal. The Southern Select is white, so it would not count. Rand, can you please add the USBC numbers to the list you gave when you have the chance please.
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
So far we are just listing the cans as Mark has stated in his post. I noticed that the flats have a commonality in that they're all OI's. If no one posts the USBC #'s by the weekend, I'll look them up and add them to the list.
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
josh wrote:A can that is "battleship grey" that is not most often found shiny doesn't count no matter how you look at it. Thats always been the point of pointing out the can is battleship grey. Propeller cans are not them no matter how much you want them to be. No one has ever said, "I've got a propeller can to trade, it's the battleship grey version".
I actually have a Propeller can by Schlitz that is semi-metallic green and silver. There is also an OD propellor flat by Schlitz.
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
To the quarts list please add Hanley's Pale Ale, USBC I 211-15. A Continental can, small Cap-Sealed panel.
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Do you happen to have any pics of said can?
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
I can think of a few crowntainers like Noch Eins, Kubler, National Boh, Fitzgerals Pale Ale, Ortiels, Hoff Brau, and Kingsbury. I'm not sure how many were in production or if they were test cans. images of the cans are available at Crowntainer Central
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Found a pair of on grade Noch Eins crowntainers at a yard sale in Tucson about 1990-91 One was battleship grey paint. Trade/sold them to Tony Steffen. Not sure if I have a picture or not... will edit this for USBC number Andy
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Re: WWII Gray Discussion Thread
I believe the Propeller cans, several of them, should absolutely be listed. The dull grey color is a result of timing and cost, nothing more, and it just so happens that the propeller cans were only produced when aluminum was not available for such frivolous use as inking beer cans. The only two (non-OD) options available at that time were dull grey and the high-gloss metallic silver achieved by using a tinted clearcoat over the base metal. The process for achieving the metallic look had to cost more. Propeller flats and cones both exist in both color schemes. It's just a quirk of fate that one dull grey variation turned up in large numbers, after decades of all the variations being extremely rare. And a collector who is knowledgeable and incredibly fortunate just might say "I have a Propeller cone (or flat) by Schlitz for trade. It's the dull grey one".
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